Opening "time sealed" vault

QUESTION:

I have a small vault/safe that has been "sealed" by time. I know the combination, and running the dial I can get the tumblers to fall into place. However, I grab hold of the handle to rotate the door and retract the lock pins and it is stuck tighter than ..... Does anyone have any suggestions on how to go about unfreezing this thing? I don't really know what's inside(I suspect nothing), but I would like to open this without destroying it.

ANSWER:

I am going to say this is probably a "better" safe/vault. It came from a safe/vault service(sort of like a safety deposit at a bank). It weighs somewhere around 1000lbs(based on lift capacity of skid steer that could barely move it). The box is about three feet square(cube?). The door is about 12" across, although I expect the actual vault hole is probably much less than that(4-6"). There is a combination knob in the center of the door, and then a handle projects parallel to the face and perpindicular(left) to the radius of the door. Right hand hinges.

This good a unit should have bolts extending into all four edges. Probably at least two into each edge, and about 1" diameter of so.

There is no bar inside the knob? Some brands of locks (S&G) have a bar inside the knob which has to be turned clockwise as soon as you have dialed the whole combination, and then you turn the knob another fifteen degrees or so (until it stops on its own) to withdraw the bolt into the lock mechanism. This will then allow you to rotate the secondary handle to withdraw the bolts into the door.

The ones by Mosler (the combination dial is a hollow metal skirt continuous with the knob) don't have the little twist bar inside, but still end up with a final counterclockwise twist after dialing the full combination.

Other brands may not have such additional motions -- you should feel additional resistance as it draws the inner bolt back.

You know the combination -- but do you know the directions? Typically, the good locks start counterclockwise, and have three variable numbers, plus finish up on zero. (And some of the knobs are mounted on splines, so you can actually change the final digit as well.)

Try both ways -- while holding the combination wheel. If one was doesn't move far, the other should. If clockwise were down, it would be clear enough to me, but with what you have, I think that I would opt for down before clockwise.


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